Ethics

Is the new Creative map ethical/ in line with Minecraftcc's "charter"?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 11 84.6%
  • No.

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

NZ_Forever

One of the "original PvP terrorisers"
Dear members of the Minecraftcc community. It has come to my attention that dispite his best efforts Frothingluck has not touched the heart of the problem. Don't get me wrong, I support his views but he just needed to sum up his debate into one topic. Is the new creative world ethical? I want to put it to a vote to see if the community believe that Creative, with its exclusive Builders and item spawning, is really in line with this servers Code of Conduct, its founding charter lets say. I have been told, and have picked up on over the long months I have been here, that the server was always meant to be 'Vanillia' and, although it was not possible to remain 100% Vanillia, I held onto the hope that we, no matter how hard it would be, would be able to resist temptation and never openly allow such things as item spawning. Sadly, we have a world where people are free to /give themselves items to their hearts content. I was also informed during a debate, that the server was not elietist and that everyone would be given a fair go. Unfortunately this illusion has also been shattered with the new builder class. Excluding many members of the community, this new class of Minecrafter is a disgrace to all I was told about this server. So please, vote away, and be free to tell me your thoughts by posting below. I also apologise for any and all spelling mistakes.
 

PD400

Sentient Toaster
I am so sick of this complaint: "Excluding many members of the community, this new class of Minecrafter is a disgrace to all I was told about this server."

Anyone can apply for builder status. Anyone can BE a builder. However, the builder exclusion is made so random griefers cannot destroy our hard work.

The Creative World is a prelude to the eventual edition of a Creative mode to multiplayer, and is meant to showcase creations without limiting the creators. You still have Build. Want to get legit items, use build! Creative is for the best of the best creations. The purpose of item spawning is simply to allow Builders to make what they want.

NZ, do you see diamonds being spawned on PvP? No.

The reason for the multiworlds is to allow everyone something to their own tastes. Not your preferences. Everyones preferences.

The Creative world is a welcome edition to the community.
 

NZ_Forever

One of the "original PvP terrorisers"
I am so sick of this complaint: "Excluding many members of the community, this new class of Minecrafter is a disgrace to all I was told about this server."

Anyone can apply for builder status. Anyone can BE a builder. However, the builder exclusion is made so random griefers cannot destroy our hard work.

The Creative World is a prelude to the eventual edition of a Creative mode to multiplayer, and is meant to showcase creations without limiting the creators. You still have Build. Want to get legit items, use build! Creative is for the best of the best creations. The purpose of item spawning is simply to allow Builders to make what they want.

NZ, do you see diamonds being spawned on PvP? No.

The reason for the multiworlds is to allow everyone something to their own tastes. Not your preferences. Everyones preferences.

The Creative world is a welcome edition to the community.
PD400, Not everyone can be a builder. You have to have a texture pack. People may not be able to download one for example. Others may want a natural minecraft but also want to be a builder. Also It does not matter that spawning items is confinded to Creative. There is still the spawning of items of a previously (mostly) Vanilla server. Also a question. Who else is "complaining" about the exclusion of members etc? because you can't be sick of it if only FrothingLuck and I are "complaining".
 

FrothingLuck

Most Disliked Since 2015!
I am so sick of this complaint: "Excluding many members of the community, this new class of Minecrafter is a disgrace to all I was told about this server."

Anyone can apply for builder status. Anyone can BE a builder. However, the builder exclusion is made so random griefers cannot destroy our hard work.

The Creative World is a prelude to the eventual edition of a Creative mode to multiplayer, and is meant to showcase creations without limiting the creators. You still have Build. Want to get legit items, use build! Creative is for the best of the best creations. The purpose of item spawning is simply to allow Builders to make what they want.

NZ, do you see diamonds being spawned on PvP? No.

The reason for the multiworlds is to allow everyone something to their own tastes. Not your preferences. Everyones preferences.

The Creative world is a welcome edition to the community.
PD, while I begrudgingly stopped complaining about the creative server (Oliver and I discussed this immensely) I believe that even though anyone can apply for the creative server, according to the ethos and you its only for the "Best of the Best" this is exactly what I am referring to what I say the creative server is an elitist server. Your creations are of a "higher" grade. A grade decided by a small group of the entire community that may or may not accurately reflect its habits. I offered a compromise to the server. The is the only idea suggested so far. Oliver does wish to add a completely open creative map, that gets wiped every so often, with a portion showcasing the best however, he is to busy to code such a plugin and does not know of one. It is an eventual plan though from what I've heard. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.
 

SgtSpike

Site Admin & Server Owner
Staff member
I struggled with the same thing NZ, but came to the conclusion that less isn't more in this case. It is better to offer something for everyone. All of the legitimate worlds are still in place, exactly as they were before.

I would have a major problem if we enabled /give on the build world(s). That hasn't been what those worlds are about, and those worlds should continue as they have in the past. But adding a new world is just giving more options for more different types of playstyles.

Picture it like a computer store: They start out just selling already-assembled computers. They build their name and image around already-assembled computers. Then, they introduce individual components, because there is a demand by customers for buying individual components. It doesn't mean that the computer shop has stepped away from their original image, it just means they are offering more on top of what they originally offered.

That's the whole goal here - to fill a niche, for people who want to play this way.
 

Jacca

Active Member
Spawning Items aside.

People can apply for builder an infinite amount of times. Within the first 2 apps they usually get in. I fail to see the issue, people merely need to try harder. They can try every week.

As for the texture pack argument... Downloading a file and dragging it into a folder is not beyond many people's abilities and the only thing that would hinder them are hardware issues.

Also, if they refuse to use a texture pack and want it to be "Vanilla" then this isn't the world for them to begin with. As there is the previously mentioned spawning - That's why there are 5 different maps to play on, as PD400 has mentioned.
 

PD400

Sentient Toaster
PD400, Not everyone can be a builder. You have to have a texture pack. People may not be able to download one for example. Others may want a natural minecraft but also want to be a builder. Also It does not matter that spawning items is confinded to Creative. There is still the spawning of items of a previously (mostly) Vanilla server. Also a question. Who else is "complaining" about the exclusion of members etc? because you can't be sick of it if only FrothingLuck and I are "complaining".
In what situation can one not download a texture pack? There is no need for unzipping files or anything other than downloading the pack and placing it in a file. You do not need to keep it on at all times, but build to accommodate the texture pack. It only enhances the experience.

There is no exclusion of members, as I've stated. Only the people that prove they won't grief and can actually contribute can actually build, but everyone can come, see, and take part in the Creative map. Being a builder means having the ability to build unrestricted by lack of resources. You can still build on the build server with a limited amount of materials if you want to be a "Builder" and still have a "Natural Minecraft". Its been quite a while since we've advertised the server as 100% legit, and it's quite obvious we've chosen to create our own niche. We have all the different worlds that cater to different aspects of both the vanilla Minecraft and to the plugins written by its users. If you want 100% legit, play on Survival, where the mobs are on and death is quite common.

I agree with the point Frothing makes that it would be nice if we could have a unrestricted creative world. However, it's quite foolish to believe that this would work with the current state of minecraft and its griefers. If nobody griefed, that utopian idea of letting everyone use creative would work out fine. If anyone was allowed to build, griefing would happen all the time and Creative would become a pockmarked wasteland like all the other world's spawns.

Hopefully I've run through what my point is well enough.
 

oliverw92

Retired Administrator
Would just like to point out - Minecraft Creative Mode still exists, so the Creative world is actually more 'vanilla' than the Spheres world, for example.
 

eaglestallon

Server Administrator
Staff member
I'll add my two cents here. And I'll do it by offering to help install texture packs and, if you want it, a mod. This would be Oli's version of the zan's mini map which removes cave view, so you can't "hack" on pvp.

I'll do this all by teamviewer, or if you want you pick the remote control program and PM me. I'm willing to be the solution to this problem by removing the " I don't know how to install a texture pack/mod therefore I can't go there or can't do this...." argument.

Disclaimer
I promise full anonymity and confidentiality to those that request it. No passwords will be kept, nothing I see will be told to others Unless you have a death threat sitting on your desktop. If that happens then I will inform the authorities in your local area.
 

SgtSpike

Site Admin & Server Owner
Staff member
*asks eagle to help install texture pack while leaving death threat on desktop*

 

WakiMikoArck

Some would call me Tim
How is creative unethical? I don't recall doing anything on there I was morally against. No baby seals were killed, and I don't recall mining for blood diamonds or participating in any genocide or acts of war.
 

aportex

The Cyber-Hillbilly
It may just be me but I haven't seen any builders spam ''LOLZ I IZ BEDDER DAN UU CUZ I HAZ BUILDAR RANK AND YOU DONTZ!!!11''.
 

eaglestallon

Server Administrator
Staff member
*asks eagle to help install texture pack while leaving death threat on desktop*

*takes screenshot of desktop, sends pm to oliver asking for Sgt's IP and any information they may know about player, looks up IP and calls the cops in that area. If suicide note, recommend he becomes placed on suicide watch also get email address to send the picture of the screenshot for them to see.

I know you are joking, but that's the steps I would do if this ever happened.
 

SgtSpike

Site Admin & Server Owner
Staff member
*takes screenshot of desktop, sends pm to oliver asking for Sgt's IP and any information they may know about player, looks up IP and calls the cops in that area. If suicide note, recommend he becomes placed on suicide watch also get email address to send the picture of the screenshot for them to see.

I know you are joking, but that's the steps I would do if this ever happened.
There's a much quicker way of doing that...

http://baremetal.com/cgi-bin/dnsip?target=play.minecraftcc.com

Just sayin. :p
 

eaglestallon

Server Administrator
Staff member
Yah I thought of that after I hit post reply :S

edit: Yes, but that only works for you. As I know that you are hosting the server. Any random person would have to be identified by the way I mentioned above.
 
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