Griefing on the orig. PVP map
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... and the inside is all torn up and littered with signs
Names on the signs include
ultimateironman
soc
Spike7005
Rockstarter
This is not just "braking a few blocks to get inside". This is wholesale destruction. Any mods, please PM me and I'll tell you the exact coordinates if you wish to check it out.
Names on the signs include
ultimateironman
soc
Spike7005
Rockstarter
This is not just "braking a few blocks to get inside". This is wholesale destruction. Any mods, please PM me and I'll tell you the exact coordinates if you wish to check it out.
ultimateironman
2 year Wielder of Das Banhammer!
those signs are from almost 2 weeks ago. before beta came out. we raided it and took everything from teh chests inside (there were like 7 of us. plenty of bag space). we also took everything of value including the chests themselves, the iron doors, all the brick walls(thats why it looks so trashed on the inside. i remember a decent amount of brick), and poked around for hidden chests.
i did NOT use lava, and i dont remember anyone else using lava that night. so i dont know where that came from.
i did NOT use lava, and i dont remember anyone else using lava that night. so i dont know where that came from.
You know, I had been raiding that home a couple weeks ago, too. Never damaged it, though. I got a whole ton of arrows coal, iron plus about 20 diamonds. About a week after my first visit I went back and whoever lived there had refilled the chests and gone on about their business, so I cleaned them out a 2nd time. Last time I was at that house was probably about 2 weeks ago (before the beta) and it was 100% intact then.
Who would bother to dump lava all over a house that's already torn up? Sorry, I'm not buying your excuse.
Kiwinz is right. We kind of had a rule that no all-out griefing was allowed when PvP first started, but soon switched to "do whatever you want". Dec 15th, we set the rule in stone that no all-out griefing was allowed.
EDIT: Also, stealing brick, chests, etc is ok. Really, the only issue I have is with the lava. But since it happened two weeks ago, and we do not have block history for who placed the lava, nothing we can do about it now.
EDIT: Also, stealing brick, chests, etc is ok. Really, the only issue I have is with the lava. But since it happened two weeks ago, and we do not have block history for who placed the lava, nothing we can do about it now.
Kiwinz, I had been to the destroyed house after the no-griefing rule was put in place, and it was not destroyed then.Kiwinz said:
I realize you don't have block history. Look at all the signs that were placed. Either those users signed their own names on the signs, or some jerkwad tried to frame them. Given the extent of the griefing and the fact that it occurred AFTER the no-griefing rule was created, I believe this merits further investigation.
SgtSpike said:
The griefing damage happened after the no-griefing rule. As I've stated above, I had been visiting that house regularly before the beta and it was never damaged. At the time the no-griefing rule went into place, that house was undamaged.
Look at the signs with the names. I can think of several scenarios.
A) Somebody signed other people's names to the signs to try to implicate them.
B) The users signed their own names to the signs but did not realize what they were doing was forbidden.
C) The users signed their own names to the signs. Given the juvenile language, they simply didn't consider the consequences.
A is pretty farfetched, but not impossible.
B is not possible, as I can vouch that the home was intact after the no-griefing rule went into effect.
So that leaves C, which also seems to be the simplest explanation of what happened.
Ok, so it was less than two weeks ago, after the new rule was in place.
Here's the thing Kart - I don't see much extraordinary damage. They took the brick walls because brick is valuable. They took the chests because they can be used elsewhere. They broke some of the stone or cobble walls because they were looking for hidden chests. The lava (and water, if it wasn't already there) is the ONLY thing that could be considered breaking the rules. Well, if the front wall wasn't brick (say, it was sand), and was only one block thick, then they shouldn't have broken that either. So possibly two grief incidents, but I don't know what the house looked like beforehand. I agree that it would warrant more investigation, but I just have no further information available, and no more investigation that CAN be done.
We can't catch griefers every time. Most of the time, we can (and do), but sometimes circumstances present themselves in such a way as to be impossible to identify with certainty who the griefer was. Of course, no one who listed their names on those signs will admit to placing lava, especially after reading through this discussion, so who should I ban? I can't ban all of them, because many of them were most certainly not responsible for the lava, and I can't ban the person resposible, because I don't know who it was.
I can't even say for certain that it was one of the players who raided the house. People do strange things with lava - they'll put it out in the middle of nowhere just because they can. Maybe a guy found the house, and was mad that it had already been raided, so he put a couple of buckets down just to make the houseowner mad? You might not buy it, but not buying it is a far cry from proof that it wasn't someone else.
I'm locking this thread, but feel free to continue discussion of this with me via PM, along with any concerns you have. The public discussion here is done.
Here's the thing Kart - I don't see much extraordinary damage. They took the brick walls because brick is valuable. They took the chests because they can be used elsewhere. They broke some of the stone or cobble walls because they were looking for hidden chests. The lava (and water, if it wasn't already there) is the ONLY thing that could be considered breaking the rules. Well, if the front wall wasn't brick (say, it was sand), and was only one block thick, then they shouldn't have broken that either. So possibly two grief incidents, but I don't know what the house looked like beforehand. I agree that it would warrant more investigation, but I just have no further information available, and no more investigation that CAN be done.
We can't catch griefers every time. Most of the time, we can (and do), but sometimes circumstances present themselves in such a way as to be impossible to identify with certainty who the griefer was. Of course, no one who listed their names on those signs will admit to placing lava, especially after reading through this discussion, so who should I ban? I can't ban all of them, because many of them were most certainly not responsible for the lava, and I can't ban the person resposible, because I don't know who it was.
I can't even say for certain that it was one of the players who raided the house. People do strange things with lava - they'll put it out in the middle of nowhere just because they can. Maybe a guy found the house, and was mad that it had already been raided, so he put a couple of buckets down just to make the houseowner mad? You might not buy it, but not buying it is a far cry from proof that it wasn't someone else.
I'm locking this thread, but feel free to continue discussion of this with me via PM, along with any concerns you have. The public discussion here is done.
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