Discussion in 'Mine For BTC!' started by ExtroJoker, Jun 16, 2014.

  1. MajorWumpus

    MajorWumpus Administrator Staff Member

    So players can trade satoshi in game, which they still earn at different rates based on what rank they've donated for?
    How is this not opening a whole can of worms, EULA wise?
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  2. gibland4

    gibland4 Member

    I honestly think this is an amazing idea. Especially since it would allow people not using the BTC program to get items they want for something they don't use, and people that DO use the program would be happy that they got some more satoshi without the hassle of mining. Seems like a win/win to me.
  3. Codingale

    Codingale Former Moderator (Level3)

    The server ELUA only covers paying players getting bonus in game items mostly to improve the game experience. Everyone will able to participate regardless if they donate or not.

    On the original topic now.. I am slightly growing on this idea, it'll need quite a lot of brain storming to rework the system and filter it down so we know exactly what we want etc.
  4. SgtSpike

    SgtSpike Site Admin & Server Owner Staff Member

    I don't think there's anything in the EULA regarding how much money someone can earn from playing Minecraft.
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  5. MajorWumpus

    MajorWumpus Administrator Staff Member

    But once that money can be used in game, and it's earned unequally based on what you have PAID to get your level, I'm pretty sure it's a problem.
    See the months of debate we had on this topic when it first came up.
  6. gibland4

    gibland4 Member

    But its not really unequal. You can use the "money" you make in game to pay for said level. Its practically an in game currency. You just happen to be able to transfer it into ACTUAL currency.
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  7. MajorWumpus

    MajorWumpus Administrator Staff Member

    Right, you can take the money out, pay for a level, then get more money each week that you also take out of the game (currently).
    It doesn't matter as much, because the unequal payments do not affect game play.
    As soon as there are unequal payments, that can be used in game and which DO affect game play, how does that not get right into the issues with the EULA that we talked about ad nauseam before?
  8. Jafu29

    Jafu29 New Member

    How would it affect the gameplay in any way... If you say trading for btc is unfair/unequal to ppl who have not so much btc then i can tell yes, but you cant even overextend your satoshi balance... you still can have only 0.01 BTC each week to get paid and not more. The way to earn them through trading is only a new way to earn satoshi. Its user based, so there arent any prices set for some items. You can use this as you like. If a beacon is 500 satoshi worth for you or 50k. It's your decision to buy/sell stuff or not. If you find a buyer who sells it to you for 500 satoshi and you have one who pays you 50k i can say gg... It's only a redistibution of the mined satoshi with the cap of 0.01 BTC

    The argument ppl with more BTC have an adventage and can buy anything and ppl with less btc cant buy anything caused of that is crap, cause you will get paid weekly if you have more than 50k satoshi and you CANT DEPOSIT any BTC to the website/server, so you can get the satoshi only through the ingame mining/building or if accepted/added through trading with other ppl who has to mine to trade...

    I dont understand your problems with EULA. EULA says only, that you are not allowed to take money from ppl to make a playstile adventage, if you cant get this adventage through ingame playing... The reason, that the server is paying you BTC is another. You can use them to get the paid rank (ingame adventage got through playing) or use them for anything else... Shure ppl with more money can buy this rank, but they also dont get more than 0.01 BTC/week paid as ppl who dont bought the rank, so there is no difference between ppl who bought the rank with own money/server earned BTC or with no rank.

    I hope this is clear to you like I wrote this, cause my native english is German and im not so good in English any more...
    If there are any questions to my explanation feel free to ask me
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  9. MajorWumpus

    MajorWumpus Administrator Staff Member

    Right, if you are both at .01 then you are equal. But if you both mine the same amount and one of you gets .001 and one gets .002, and you can then buy things in game (but one of you gets twice as much because you a VIP+ say) that is, by definition, unequal.

    I'm not sure how much it will be used in game anyway, there's hardly enough of a player base and I'm guessing most everyone is going to want to keep their satoshi.
    I've been on other servers that had in game satoshi trading, and it just turned into a bunch of empty shops selling stuff and nobody buying.

    But hey, I just remembered something: I don't care.
    It's not my problem, it's SgtSpike's. He's the one taking the chance with the EULA.
    If he wants to do it that way, go for it.

    Your writing was perfectly clear, btw. I just don't agree.
  10. gibland4

    gibland4 Member

    If you don't care, then why are you making such a hooplah about it? >.>
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  11. MajorWumpus

    MajorWumpus Administrator Staff Member

    Just expressing an opinion. I'll stop doing that.
    You can completely disagree, it bothers me not.
  12. gibland4

    gibland4 Member

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  13. Jafu29

    Jafu29 New Member

    Yeah it could be unequal if some1 gets doubled payout. But then i can say its unequal to me who plays not so much (gets not so much satoshi) against someone who plays 10 hours a day and gets much more satoshi than me... There are always unequal parts in your life, but you cant change... The option to buy your VIP+ rank with bitcoin, that you can earn ingame is making defnetly no problems with the EULA. And if you only say you cant trade with the satoshi ingame, then it would be traded like now for diamonds or something like that, but hey its unequal to ppl who have more diamonds than others... So the solution is to make an ingame currency (satoshi) which you use for billing/trading or whatever you like...

    All in all you dont find any reason to prevent the "new" feature, cause there isnt any kind of conflict with EULA and the rest is player based (equality through more ore less playtime, prices that are traded for, ...)
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