POLL: Maps

[SgtSpike]

Feb 1st is coming up, which is the three-month mark for our build server map, and the date at which I promised a vote would decide what we would do with the current map. So here's the vote.

One idea I recently had is to bring the build server map over to the PvP server, then start a new build server map, and continue swapping/creating maps in this way every 3 months or so. So each "build server" map would really be a long-term preparation for PvP. Griefing and thieving is illegal on the build server, obviously, but it would be a looter's paradise once it was ported to PvP! It'd be fun to fight, and take hold in random abandoned cities. People could also prepare fortresses and towns without worrying about creepers blowing them up, or other people destroying them before they are finished.

Of course, we could certainly port the build server map over to PvP and keep the current build map on the build server as well, that wouldn't be a problem, and was what we were originally talking about doing anyway (which never happened, since towny died and killed our guild ideas).

On a rather unrelated note, what do you all think about a die = banned survival server? Just for fun, and banlist would be reset every so often (once a week, maybe)? I think it'd be fun for the hardcore guys out there.

 

[the_actual_God]

I decided that we should keep everything as it is for as long as possible - until Minecraft's technical development forces us to change maps. While I like the idea to have the build map on the PvP, I just don't wanna lose my buildings etc., I am building "a life" there and don't want it destroyed/rebooted.

On a rather unrelated note, what do you all think about a die = banned survival server? Just for fun, and banlist would be reset every so often (once a week, maybe)? I think it'd be fun for the hardcore guys out there.

Well, with a properly working Minecraft and in a LAN, I'd like the idea. Banlist reset time should be 1 day then, though. In a low-ping Internet situation, the problem of lag-spikes or lost connections can occur, so I'm skeptical, but it's still a viable thing. In a high-ping Internet situation (I have 180ms, I think.), it's still viable though not pain-free. In the situation we have right now, it is plainly unthinkable. I saw a spider this morning when I was working on my harvester tower. Didn't think much of it. Then, suddenly I was flying horizontally through the air, being hit again and again, finally falling down, spreading my belongings and entrails around the ground: Without me even seeing it, the spider had attacked me many times. If death had any serious consequences, I would not play in this situation.

So, once the Minecraft (more specifically: the SgtSpike's Minecraft servers) situation clears up, it would be a nice idea, but the ban list reset should be once a day anyway.

 

[ultimateironman]

i dont want to lose the current PvP map. the only thing id like to see happen, but its not listed in teh vote options is: we HAVE to get pharos on the PvP server.
its so beautiful now.

 

[oliverw92]

The build server would be pretty fail on the pvp server - half the towns are way too far out to even be worth using for pvp battles. Also people have some pretty cool stuff on the new pvp map, which is actually built for pvp more than anything else.

 

[Rain]

I've voted for brand new maps on both servers. I think with everything on the build server now it would be best for a new start, and I don't think that build would be suited that well on pvp. Whilst having pharos moved to the pvp would be pretty cool, as a lot of hard work has gone into it. I do think though that after this reset the period between future resets should be longer. Just my thoughts



EDIT:

I changed my vote to keep both, whilst it makes no difference anymore, I just wanted to voice that I know see why it would be most preferable for everyone including myself to keep the current maps.

 

[globey]

If the build server map were reset would I be able to retreive the town I'm constructing and have it placed on the new map? While the map would need resetting (There are so many unused buildings near the spawn that are all greifed anyways) I feel that it would be unfair to lose months of work.

In addition to having current builds placed on the new build server map, would it be possible to apply to have fortresses placed on the survival map as well? I beleive that it would definitly add to the enjoyment to have some pre-built structures with defences for players to run around in and kill eachother.

 

[eaglestallon]

While I can see the reasoning behind a new map for pvp (less lag?) I would also like to keep the current pvp map. Mainly becuase I have become attached to some of the buildings there, but they are just buildings, yes they took a good while to build, but can be rebuilt if needed. Also a brand new map means that those people that knew where your house was.... won't know now.

My choice, for now, is to keep the current maps.

 

[SgtSpike]

I would not be moving buildings or towns between maps. The most I would move is lordikon's Pharos to PvP, and that's because I promised I would, due to a misunderstanding in what was going to happen on both of the servers. Nothing else would be moved.

So, if you want to keep your current buildings/towns, vote to keep the maps the same.

 

[Jov]

Voted to keep.

While having everyone start over fresh on an even slate would be pretty cool, because I know some people have ridiculous hordes, I also just finished my harvester and wouldn't want to lose the past 2+ weeks of work on my house.

If there was a way for all of us to keep our homes but get a fresh clean world to play in (and still losing all of our items), I'd be all for that.

 

[oliverw92]

I don't see why we need to reset the pvp server? What's wrong with it at the moment? If it is the spawn being ugly, then just move it somewhere else, or cuboid it all flat. Loads of work has been put in on the PVP map and it isn't built up around the spawn at all - nowhere near the extent of the build server.

 

[FrothingLuck]

Look, last time I heard what the total map size was at was 8 gigs, that was about a month ago. I realize that you are all attached to your precious little buildings and all of that but, lets be real here. Remember when you first started on this server. Some of you it was awhile ago but, I'm sure you can still remember. The surprise of finding that one special spot to build. Working diligently with stone and wood weapons, coming across your first diamond. Upgrading your cave into a house, then to a castle and finally to an impenetrable fort. All of that is what minecraft is about. Building from nothing. I know some of you know have whole stacks of diamonds and these epic structures that would terrify any creeper. Now that you've achieved this great high status with no need to ever REALLY mine again (Loader's current project excluded).

I know I act stupid a lot and never know when to shut up (which is probably why I'm not a mod) but, when I play these servers it is more about what I can build from nothing rather than what I can build from private warping to my epic throne room grabbing 16 stacks of cobble and building something else. In fact on the pvp server, I had full diamond armor complete with diamond swords and I threw it all away because it was no longer fun for me. I know for a fact, Jov, that the first day you ever played pvp was the most fun you had. I would highly doubt you have had as good of a time playing then that. Look 1337phreak and his project. He has this need to build this giant structure because he knows he'll have to start mining from nothing all over again. He'll have to go back to basics, asking for charity and mining it himself. Look at Pharos and LordIkon (who btw is doing an awesome job at moderating and being consistent). He and several others built this huge grand structure and has literally run out of ideas on how to improve it. He just keeps adding and adding until he feels it is complete. We are all seeking that high we got when we first started playing. Its the main reason why people start alternate characters in mmo's. I know starting from scratch won't give us that same high but, I feel it is the closest we will ever get.

TL;DR: New maps on both

 

[ultimateironman]

TL;DR: New maps on both

drop all your items. walk in a new direction and build a new home. same thing.

 

[the_actual_God]

In fact on the pvp server, I had full diamond armor complete with diamond swords and I threw it all away because it was no longer fun for me.

Ye, I did something like that, too: At some point, I made a new chest in my awesome bakery, put my whole inventory in it, and typed "/spawn". I have never used any resources of that place since, it is only every few days that I visit the bakery and check if everything is fine.

And that's what everyone can do if they feel like experiencing the irreplaceable thrill of the beginnings again. The big difference to what you are proposing (map change) is: You wanna force it on everyone, and I have no idea why anyone would want to do that, except this: You feel that the people are not mature enough to make that decision for themselves and they need to be forced into that enjoyable experience.

We are all seeking that high we got when we first started playing.

Well, guess what: After I had put my stuff into a chest and did /spawn, I had the thrill of beginning a new Minecraft adventure. Even to have a different style of playing, since I was not cause&effect-bound by my inventory and current building projects. And I did not need a fresh map for that. I might even do it again, though the problem is that I am running out of PrivateWarps, but before you try to twist that into an argument: I don't need to go to a new map to free my PrivateWarps.

Look, last time I heard what the total map size was at was 8 gigs, that was about a month ago.

That might be so. Only, I don't see how this has any relevance. It's not like the SSD harddisk would become slower by having a bigger map. Quite the opposite: If the whole map would be tossed away and a new one would grow to 8 gigs, about 8 gigs of SSD lifespan would be wasted.

I know for a fact, Jov, that the first day you ever played pvp was the most fun you had.

Well, that's quite a dishonest argument, is it not. When Jov started playing, the PvP map was already well established. Jov entered an already prepared virgin paradise for his raiding and looting, on the best public Minecraft server that exists (to my knowledge).

Look 1337phreak and his project. He has this need to build this giant structure because he knows he'll have to start mining from nothing all over again. He'll have to go back to basics, asking for charity and mining it himself.

You are assuming that this is his reason and use it as an argument. But it might very well not the reason that he does this. The reason might be that he has fun building it, sharing it with and showing it to people, and that he wants these places to exist, in which case your argument would backfire: He wouldn't want the map to be gone. I don't know what his real stance on this is, so I can only assume, like you do. My assumption is that he is opposed to a buildserver map change, and he might be indifferent to a PvPserver map change since he doesn't play there.

I realize that you are all attached to your precious little buildings

That sounds quite condescending. In my not so humble opinion, this "sound" of yours is the inevitable expression of someone who wants to will himself through an impenetrable wall instead of accepting the truth.

Yes, people indeed put quite some work into those buildings, and it would be sad if they were lost for no good reason. Also, some people (I for example) walked 50,000 blocks to have a safe place for their stuff. You want us to have to do that again? Thank you very much.

Building from nothing - well, as ultimateironman said, and as you even said yourself: You don't need a new map to do that. All your points are entirely void, so can you put into words what the real reason is that you want the map to change?

Look at Pharos and LordIkon [...]. He and several others built this huge grand structure and has literally run out of ideas on how to improve it. He just keeps adding and adding until he feels it is complete.

That is just plain untrue. He is planning to make it PvP-safe, which you can read in the forum. Pharos will be moved/copied to the PvP server. Do you really think that Pharos Tower needs to be taken away from LordIkon by force so that his mind can be free again? What a sad person you are, believing that you are the great father that has to herd his little children into the promised land.

People know very well what they want, so if you vote regarding the maps, vote for how you want it for yourself, not how you imagine everyone else needs it.

Maybe the truth is that you need everyone else to have a certain experience or situation in the Minecraft map so that you feel better. I wonder if that's love.

 

[oliverw92]

While i think taG's points are a little extreme in deliverance, I am inclined to agree with him. If you want that 'virgin' feel again on minecraft, then just do it - burn all your items and buildings and go start somewhere else on the map - that's the whole point of an infinite map, you never run out of room.

Oh and file size makes absolutely no difference to the efficiency of the server.

 

[Arois]

i switched my vote to keep both, after voting to keep build and also copy it to the pvp so there are buildings and citys to tear and destroy , small casches of resources from who knows who, monsters in places that build didt have issue with so its dark, such as walking on a road only to encounter a creeper in a dark tunnel and die and be brought back to riddling chaos of people tearing down old buildings near the spawn for extra resources.

 

[SgtSpike]

Looks like we're keeping the current maps then!

 

[Spoonyjets]

I vote to keep the PVP map how it is

dont care about the Build server

the fact that this server keeps the map so you can build and expand is the only reason i keep coming back... no other server does that!!!

if someone want to have things like new just have then destroy what they have and go in a different direction to build from scratch instead of penalizing everyone on the server

 

[Bub0nicPlague]

I agree with spoonyjets. seems counter productive to make everyone restart for the wants of a few people. GLAD WE GET TO VOTE...democracy works!!!

i voted to keep the map how it is...

 

[FrothingLuck]

In fact on the pvp server, I had full diamond armor complete with diamond swords and I threw it all away because it was no longer fun for me.

Ye, I did something like that, too: At some point, I made a new chest in my awesome bakery, put my whole inventory in it, and typed "/spawn". I have never used any resources of that place since, it is only every few days that I visit the bakery and check if everything is fine.

And that's what everyone can do if they feel like experiencing the irreplaceable thrill of the beginnings again. The big difference to what you are proposing (map change) is: You wanna force it on everyone, and I have no idea why anyone would want to do that, except this: You feel that the people are not mature enough to make that decision for themselves and they need to be forced into that enjoyable experience.

We are all seeking that high we got when we first started playing.

Well, guess what: After I had put my stuff into a chest and did /spawn, I had the thrill of beginning a new Minecraft adventure. Even to have a different style of playing, since I was not cause&effect-bound by my inventory and current building projects. And I did not need a fresh map for that. I might even do it again, though the problem is that I am running out of PrivateWarps, but before you try to twist that into an argument: I don't need to go to a new map to free my PrivateWarps.

Look, last time I heard what the total map size was at was 8 gigs, that was about a month ago.

That might be so. Only, I don't see how this has any relevance. It's not like the SSD harddisk would become slower by having a bigger map. Quite the opposite: If the whole map would be tossed away and a new one would grow to 8 gigs, about 8 gigs of SSD lifespan would be wasted.

I know for a fact, Jov, that the first day you ever played pvp was the most fun you had.

Well, that's quite a dishonest argument, is it not. When Jov started playing, the PvP map was already well established. Jov entered an already prepared virgin paradise for his raiding and looting, on the best public Minecraft server that exists (to my knowledge).

Look 1337phreak and his project. He has this need to build this giant structure because he knows he'll have to start mining from nothing all over again. He'll have to go back to basics, asking for charity and mining it himself.

You are assuming that this is his reason and use it as an argument. But it might very well not the reason that he does this. The reason might be that he has fun building it, sharing it with and showing it to people, and that he wants these places to exist, in which case your argument would backfire: He wouldn't want the map to be gone. I don't know what his real stance on this is, so I can only assume, like you do. My assumption is that he is opposed to a buildserver map change, and he might be indifferent to a PvPserver map change since he doesn't play there.

I realize that you are all attached to your precious little buildings

That sounds quite condescending. In my not so humble opinion, this "sound" of yours is the inevitable expression of someone who wants to will himself through an impenetrable wall instead of accepting the truth.

Yes, people indeed put quite some work into those buildings, and it would be sad if they were lost for no good reason. Also, some people (I for example) walked 50,000 blocks to have a safe place for their stuff. You want us to have to do that again? Thank you very much.

Building from nothing - well, as ultimateironman said, and as you even said yourself: You don't need a new map to do that. All your points are entirely void, so can you put into words what the real reason is that you want the map to change?

Look at Pharos and LordIkon [...]. He and several others built this huge grand structure and has literally run out of ideas on how to improve it. He just keeps adding and adding until he feels it is complete.

That is just plain untrue. He is planning to make it PvP-safe, which you can read in the forum. Pharos will be moved/copied to the PvP server. Do you really think that Pharos Tower needs to be taken away from LordIkon by force so that his mind can be free again? What a sad person you are, believing that you are the great father that has to herd his little children into the promised land.

People know very well what they want, so if you vote regarding the maps, vote for how you want it for yourself, not how you imagine everyone else needs it.

Maybe the truth is that you need everyone else to have a certain experience or situation in the Minecraft map so that you feel better. I wonder if that's love.

I in no way shape or form want to force my ideology on anybody. I am sorry it is came across as rude and condescending. Look, I try really hard to be very friendly on this server (not that being friendly is hard.) taG, you are a really cool player like almost all other players are. If I wanted to offend you guys, I would (I'm not boasting I'm stating). I revel in almost everything that everyone creates on this server. But, your rebuttal towards my ideas is slightly offensive. You write in an accusatory tone as if trying to state that I know what everyone wants. Perhaps, it is wrong of me to make assumptions about others but, I was only basing them on logical theory. Maybe, I am reading into your comment too much. And with all due respect, lordikon already had a predetermined agreement with sgt.spike and it is Sgt. Spike's sole decision whether or not he decides to honor that agreement. I was saying my reasoning for a new map. I was applying my logic to the current happenings of the large scale build projects around the server. Once again I am sorry that offended you in any sort of personal way and I could go line by line from your answer and retort but, I must decline as I do not want this to go any further than it has to. I would also like to note that I am extremely tired right now and I periodically went back to writing it. So I am apologizing now for any sort of grammatical and/or spelling mistakes.

 

[Marine05]

I think we'll need a new poll now that this update has come out. It seems to have changed several peoples minds. Just think how hard it will be to get the new resources to make your places look good. So what I'm suggesting is moving the spawn VERY far away, or get a new Build server map all together. Now before you go attacking me and saying I don't have much to lose, Check out McHenry or ask me to show you my 3 other large projects. I'm Up for a new build map now. And also, remember ViPs get to keep inventory if they want to^.