STATUS of server with beta update!

[SgtSpike]

BETA fixed! We're running on temporary maps now, so join up and play! Both servers are running, no mods, no ability to tp, nothing. Just some good old vanilla MC action.

Hey0 will not be updated until at least the 24th, but plugins may take longer. We'll see how things go. Hopefully, by Christmas, we'll be able to go back to the old maps.

Because Hey0 is not yet updated, reserved slots will not work. I apologize for that, but there's nothing I can do about it for now...

 

[xnickx5757]

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[SgtSpike]

And see Soc's better explanation here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=547&view=unread#unread if you don't understand mine.

 

[Jov]

What do you plan on doing about the griefing that was done on the PvP server, Sgt?

Kiwinz said the damage would take "about 10 minutes" to fix with Cuboid.

I'm just hoping that a rollback can be avoided, as yesterday was my best day for loot so far.

As you know, I started out the day with literally 0 items, and by the end I had almost two full sets of diamond armor, 3 swords, and 4 tools, and one raw diamond left over.

*sweats*

 

[SgtSpike]

Yeah, there won't be a rollback. I manually repaired the spawn walls, which was time consuming, but a fun little project, so I didn't mind. Just cuboided in some new dirt into the perimeter, and built a couple bridges over the remaining abyss. No biggie.

 

[lasrocker]

hi guys, When i used what Sgt Spike suggested, i can enter the server. just that i can't press the "i" button to open up inventory. when i press it, the inventory doesn't open up. anyone knows why?

 

[Socrates271]

The hotkeys are changed. So go hit 'esc', controls, hotkeys etc

 

[HAPPIKANGAROO]

Erp... It keeps updating back to beta when i switch my files out for alpha... It shouldn't be doing this should it?

 

[Socrates271]

Ya this forum topic is out-dated, look my updated explanation here in the general forums.

 

[goladith]

I am really getting sick of crappy code, lazy development, and the fact that Notch is apparently mentally incapable of figuring out he should at least test the code a little BEFORE pushing it out. Not to mention his laziness in knowing there are issues that are preventing people from using it, and saying, "it is 7:30 here, I'll fix it tomorrow." that is not professional, nor is it acceptable business practice. Things seemed to have gotten worse since he hired other devs, and got his "building"...

 

[SgtSpike]

I am really getting sick of crappy code, lazy development, and the fact that Notch is apparently mentally incapable of figuring out he should at least test the code a little BEFORE pushing it out. Not to mention his laziness in knowing there are issues that are preventing people from using it, and saying, "it is 7:30 here, I'll fix it tomorrow." that is not professional, nor is it acceptable business practice. Things seemed to have gotten worse since he hired other devs, and got his "building"...

Really, he needs to prepare the code the night before, as he has been doing, and then wait to release it until the next morning. That way, he can fixed show-stopper issues the next day.

 

[davidtg1]

To be fair, CCP and Blizzard have much bigger staffs (staves?) and regularly launch updates filled with bugs. I'm willing to cut the dude a break. It's his first game after all. I still remember when Eve completely broke windows...

 

[Socrates271]

Eve such a great game! Shame I sold my sniper BC soldier. A tad boring at times though.

 

[goladith]

To be fair, CCP and Blizzard have much bigger staffs (staves?) and regularly launch updates filled with bugs. I'm willing to cut the dude a break. It's his first game after all. I still remember when Eve completely broke windows...

If you want to compare to them though, they will have a team working through the night to fix the stuff, unlike notch, who will rollout bad code and say eh, I'll fix it later, I'm going to leave. It is poor business practice. Especially since he screwed over any future customers, so the game will have very little inflow of new players. He should make sure problems get fixed immediately, because the only way he is going to get more money is by word of mouth really saying, they really need to buy and plat the game. I don't know, maybe I am looking at things from too realistic and demanding aspect, since yes, we are testing, but we deserve to get code that has atleast been tested once by the team.

 

[Socrates271]

To be fair, CCP and Blizzard have much bigger staffs (staves?) and regularly launch updates filled with bugs. I'm willing to cut the dude a break. It's his first game after all. I still remember when Eve completely broke windows...

If you want to compare to them though, they will have a team working through the night to fix the stuff, unlike notch, who will rollout bad code and say eh, I'll fix it later, I'm going to leave. It is poor business practice. Especially since he screwed over any future customers, so the game will have very little inflow of new players. He should make sure problems get fixed immediately, because the only way he is going to get more money is by word of mouth really saying, they really need to buy and plat the game. I don't know, maybe I am looking at things from too realistic and demanding aspect, since yes, we are testing, but we deserve to get code that has atleast been tested once by the team.

Hence why I think he's bored with MC and wants to do other things. I kinda feel like the new 'office' pics show a different story of guys he pays to play lan games with him all day.

 

[goladith]

To be fair, CCP and Blizzard have much bigger staffs (staves?) and regularly launch updates filled with bugs. I'm willing to cut the dude a break. It's his first game after all. I still remember when Eve completely broke windows...

If you want to compare to them though, they will have a team working through the night to fix the stuff, unlike notch, who will rollout bad code and say eh, I'll fix it later, I'm going to leave. It is poor business practice. Especially since he screwed over any future customers, so the game will have very little inflow of new players. He should make sure problems get fixed immediately, because the only way he is going to get more money is by word of mouth really saying, they really need to buy and plat the game. I don't know, maybe I am looking at things from too realistic and demanding aspect, since yes, we are testing, but we deserve to get code that has atleast been tested once by the team.

Hence why I think he's bored with MC and wants to do other things. I kinda feel like the new 'office' pics show a different story of guys he pays to play lan games with him all day.

Possibly... if that's the case though, and he ends up just screwin the pooch, I'm gonna fight to get my money back. I'm not to pay for a game that isn't going to be finished.

 

[Socrates271]

Oh he'll finish. Not that I expected everything to come instantly, I mean he clearly states that smp is in it's early stages and is undergoing heavy testing. But I expected him to at least produce positive reinforcement rather than punish the community with each new update.

I'm sure once all the coders settle in and feel comfortable with the code we'll be seeing some great advancements. But still, for phreaks sake it wouldn't hurt to install a backup / update manager for the testers would it?

 

[goladith]

Exactly, thank you. But the thing is...we have yet to hear any information on any of the bug fixes that this patch introduced. I mean, when single player is almost unplayable, there is something wrong. I can deal with the SMP, but I can't even play single player right now because of this, hence why I am fuming, because he made the game unplayable at all.

 

[the_actual_God]

it wouldn't hurt to install a backup / update manager for the testers would it?

As I keep saying: It would be a joke (develop-wise) to either make the game ask if you want to update - or to have an early-adopter-option (defaulting to off) in the Minecraft.net preferences. Only early adopters would receive every update. All others would only receive the updates in which SSP and SMP work.

About 850,000 people bought the game by now. Did they buy it with the intention to be testers? No. "But they ARE testers!" Well, that's just an evilish-ignorant attitude. He knows what the people want, could easily give it to them, but he plays stupid and treats them like they were not real persSons.

And what does he achieve? Broken game for 850,000 people, negative word-of-mouth effect (I mean, at this point, Notch's quality as a programmer should have become public knowledge, something that cannot be in his business interest!), Feedback from far too many sources, many repeating what others already said. If he'd only get feedback from people who want to get every single update, it would take away the feedback of people who didn't really want to test on the bleeding edge, the quality of the feedback would sure increase. Also, the rest of the community could happily play.

I mean, is it not clear as day? It is not Markus Persson's priority to have the people happily playing. Plain and simple. I don't know, though, what his priorities really are. To get the final product out? Hardly. Otherwise, he'd reduce the feedback to a well-spoken willing tester core group.

Compare this to other software, like Opera beta or something like that: You get updates, and they suck from time to time, but they work. On top of that, you could download the nightly builds. What Notch keeps releasing has the quality of nightly builds.

And you know what? With other software, the website explicitly warns you not to use the nightlies (or whatever untested version). With Notchware, you are even forced to take every update.

I wrote to him once that the updates should be optional or the bit about the Minecraft.net preferences. One or two days later, he wrote in his blog that he realized that it would be better to make the updates optional. Could be a coincidence. Point is, he already knows that it would be better, but he just doesn't make it happen, even though it would be a joke for a real programmer.

As I keep saying: The problem is his attitude.

 

[lordikon]

Just saw a patch to 1.0.2 beta, do we know if this version is worthy of running on the servers Spike?